1/72 Su-22M4 (resin, mod. from Modelsvit Su-17M)

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1/72 Su-22M4 (resin, mod. from Modelsvit Su-17M)

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Arriving late!

Checking the Eduard website we all see their 1/48 Su-22M4, but what about 1/72 scale? I just found the Plastyk/Bilek model. I think Italeri had one years back, that looked better than these two.
When i ordered the Modelsvit Su-17M, i was impressed with the model. Fully CAD made, it looks and assemble very well for a short run!

The box: (Pics posted by the manufacturer at scalemodels.ru)

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The sprues

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The manual & colour/decal guide:

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I ordered another Modelsvit kit after i had assembled this one, to make the mods. It was couple of months ago, and was pretty std: cut, glue, filler, mess up, course the heavens, accept, glue, filler...
It looked reasonably usable, specially because of the Msvit parts, that are years ahead of the other models of this plane. Probably Msvit will release this Su-22M4 sooner or latter, but they are more focused in models that are not mainstream, like their Antonov AN-124 in 1/72 scale:

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Or even a Mirage III V-01 vertical take off prototype, witch is sold by a single store in France... Well...

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After all the work, i then decided to make copies of it and save the modified parts, this is what come out of the silicon molds, plus a Su-27 cockpit & seat, if needed... (Fuselages: Original, modified, copy of modified)

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And this is the first copy/assembly trial, witch lost a front probe and other stuff in a recent place change... But HEY! The others doesn't have these much wings! I'll fix it later. At it's side he original Msvit Su-17M:

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And it still move it's wings, weeeee...

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*the camera on the background is the one i use, these pics where taken with a friend's Canon D60something, i have no idea how to use such delicate technologies, thus, it focused where it wanted!

This is the cleaning of the first half fuselage, and a gray paint to make it visible on camera:

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Few bubbles and defects in the silicon form, but... can live with it, if it was much worse i would have made new castings...

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But overall, the Modelsvit panel lines + gazillion rivets (non counted) get the attention out of my many mistakes, a bit...

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Now, let me clean it all...

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Moving on...

Let's cut the tub to use the wavebraker tip...

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The Su-27 tub is much, much closer to the M4 tub than the M version...

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The copy comes with the control stick:

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Fastly done:

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And sand it to make it fit, this is one of the things i didn't do for the 22M4 version, as it is not a huge job, we can do it for each model cast, of course i won't cast hundreds...

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Sanded the rear end to near-transparency:

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And flattened the camera/laser targeting area at the tip...

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On the inside, a sand in the walls is necessary... The copies are not that messy inside, there where air bubbles trapped when i de-casted, so i filled them kinda hastilly...

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And now it does fit:

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Look at those nasty edges! That's what fast casting does to you...

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And this red line shows a leak-in as i did the second side of the cast, the simple solution would be to re-cast the outside part, a 5 min job, but this one is for me, if it had been for sale, by request, to give as gift, i would have done it surely. The step is very shallow, hard to focus the light to catch it when it is like this, all in one color. The moment you apply any wash it pops up like internet merchandising... And... It IS a russian plane! How not to wash the hell out of it?

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Some tons of C.A. to fill... It's so hot in the "mess" (how i call my cave), that i don't even need talc powder or anything to speed the process and gain mass. Actually, the fuselage came out bent, for after i put the resin in the moulds and close them, i have to press it and put them to rest and dry in the correct shape. It is now 5:44 AM in São Paulo, it is about 33~34 celcius degrees, some 90+ percentage of humidity. I made the castings, they dried before i layed them down... Wow...

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The wing mains:

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Note the air bubbles... If you believe they will not break as you go, leave them!

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See, beside the bubbles that i could fill, the difference in colour between the mains and the swivelling part? Bad mix. I will re-cast these. In the pic you can see a transparent one, it's a test with another resin. Is good, not bad, but it "sweat" for days, meaning keep sticky for days. I wouldn't wait this many days...

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But works! Just wait some 72hs if not in a hurry, it is a much cheaper resin!

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"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"
Lucky family this IS fun!

Sanded:

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And now:

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Adjust the guide tape, make the line...

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Use some extra help:

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A little bit of gray to see where we are, and then punch tiny holes all over...

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AH! Found ya!

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Now to set the wing in place...

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Put the tail in place, casted another pair of wings and as it dries, fill the joints with kids drawing glue, that kind that leaves a little volume as it dries, it is the easy way!

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See you guys!
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Re: 1/72 Su-22M4 (resin, mod. from Modelsvit Su-17M)

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Wow what a post! I have nfi what you're doing but it sure looks impressive! :mrgreen:
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Not bad. I feel your pain when it comes to steps and seams. :clap:
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Thanks, friends!

Homer: Me neither! Most of the time? No idea at all!

Backfire: Why do we do that to ourselves? We know it's gonna be troublesome, but still we go for it!

A bit more:
Cleaned some more parts:

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The filling of the wing root didn't come out that bad..

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Placed them in their position:

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Since the resin came out little distorted, carefull placement of the parts help to make it look more aligned...

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A little plasticard to fill the gap left because the original canopy is much narrow than the M4 version...

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The clear resin attack the cast much faster than the beige one, hence, it loses clearness much sooner... Since the clear resin also (in the casting amount) never totally cure, it is hard to polish up, so some Future has to come and help... Not fantastic, but...

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Some details just to say we did them inside...

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In the ground attack version, there´s a tv screen for the targeting acquisittion. The Nestlé products that come in cans here in Brazil are protected by an alluminum leaf that is just a bit thicker than the kitchen one, local modellers refer to it as "nescaluminium", we never, ever throw one away...
The screen:

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The cover:

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the pair:

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In place:

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Starting a wash and some little black and red dots to busy the space up...

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The dude is IN!

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Now, to make the decals and colours...
Choose this one, and have two profile references: Eduard and Karaia. The undercolor blue and the green is depicted in both as the same FS code, but both brown have different in each profile...

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These are the tools i need for the colours & decals, both from google images and low definition...

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To find your colour you can do the following:
Go to encycolorpedia,
Enter the code of the needed FS colour and press search...

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Click on the name of the colour at the side of the preview:

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It will open the scale window, in the right, the colour parameters in several scales. I choose CMYK for it is the scale used in home printers. Take note on the percentages of C (ciano), M (magenta), Y (yellow) and K (key-level of black)

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Back in the program, open the colour choser and (bottom right of this window) write the the percentages of your notes:

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Draw a square in this colour:

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Do that for each color (above are the Eduard colours, below the Karaia):

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Treat the original image and choose the decals you want:

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Now print both...
I choose to print the colours in "max dpi", the best the printer can handle, even so, the printing is dotted. Also, i used regular paper, if you want to use photo paper, even better. The truth is that very fast you get used to the printing and the real colour differences. For instance: The lighter colours are closer to the real ones than the darker, because the printer contrast is not that great. But checking your references get you fastly used to what it should look like. The decal print is just to cut the stencils and paint the white for the decals...
Punch or make wholes in the printing...

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While choosing/mixing the paints, do not look at them from much close, leave the paper at least at arm's lenght, to avoid the dotting of the printed colour...
Too blue:

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Too red/gray:

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Better... and this is the ammount i need...

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There they are... I choose the Karaia browns, and darkened the green just a bit, just to my liking. At the end, choose what you like, for you never match reality, you'll have to fight the differences in cameras, in light at the moment of the picture, in the printing/screens you see the pic, darn, to match reality, even if you where present at the moment of the subject's painting and saved a little bit of the original paint, it wouldn´t match the real, by effects of scale, or the fact that 1 week in the sun and it is all different. So... Have fun! Do as you like! If try hard to match the real thing is your way to have fun, of course, do it! Full respect! One way or another, just know that other people will see it differently than you do, and it doesn't disqualify your work a bit!
Although i have some 6 Tamiya colours and 3 or four enamels, these are my main paints. Car paints. I do all from them. And for high mettalics, i have the Clad II chrome and change it's background/shade to achieve what i need, so... Who i'm i to complain about other people's colour??

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Last thing, i swear i'll stop annoy you now!
Attached the clear, filled the gap with the light curing putty (chinese LED lantern dries the thing in about 5 seconds), sanded and applyed the MONSTER: HPC-15 clear cote:

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Thanks for reading!

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Great update! The decal printing is very interesting.
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Ok! Then to some colours!

A tad of gray all over, and to the lighter one:

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The second brown:

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Thought the green, even if darker than the printing still was too light, just wanted more contrast among the colours, so i darkened it considerably...

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Lastly, the lighter shade, the blue...

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These where done free hand... Much likely would be better finished by using Blue Tac and tape, but i love to try and use that .15 needle for it's worth, even thow i have lots to improve...
Then to the masks: Started with the black areas on the wing root and the black/gray areas on the folding wings & belly that will be in metallics... As i said, i have few paints, but as a good metallic i have only the Chrome by Alclad, so i learnd to shade it out with base colours and deal with the reflective surface by changing kinds of clear...

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By using the first printing done of the decals, the one made in regular paper, we cut the stencils for the decal areas,
a
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Next step, wear the paint a bit (lot! It's Russian!), using a soft version of the paint thinner in a cotton bud. As it is automotive paint, laqquer thinner dilluted in white spirits (accrilics on IPA in whater, etc...), just to give us room to work and not strip the paint at first touch...

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And the eletronically transparent panels, the green...

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After a coat of clear, a reddish-brown wash...

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I added just the rivets to those nice panel lines done by Modelsvit...

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After clean that i'll get back to you guys!
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So... Let's finish this bird!
That's how it looked after the wash...

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Then, stencils, wich i used the original from Modelsvit. The model comes with both blue & yellow stencils for NMF or cammo finish, they are different from the 22 version, but it's ok, just to say it have something...
The printed decals come in too...

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Starting to look like something...

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Before the sealing clear coat, let's glue some probes & antennas, coat with the P.U. clear and then to the Matt P.U. clear:

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Now to apply the metal colour:

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And the ventral parts...

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Last stencil on the wing:

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Some fiddly details:

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The Eduard manual depict this aircraft with rocket launchers, at the same time saiyng it was spotted at the retrieve from the russian forces from east Germany in '94, i choose a ferry mode, four drop tanks...

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Here it received a very light post shadding and weather by AB, next: To get it really dirt and burn this already suferred paint job...

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Oils: Instead of mottling the colours as i airbrushed, i did it with lighter shades of oils and some black as smoke to pop some panels & access hatches:

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MMmmm.. Not that bad for a model that came out of the cast bent...
I choose a very, very weathered finish, i just couldn't resist playng arround, is so much fun. Maybe not that much realistic, but i would't trade it for the fun!

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More pics in the Final Review topic: http://www.intscalemodeller.com/viewtop ... 51&t=16643

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