Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

VarianWryn · Post by **VarianWryn** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:45 pm

This build thread is just intense.

So much to look at

Very Impressed with your hobby skills Paul.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:59 pm

VarianWryn wrote:This build thread is just intense.

So much to look at

Very Impressed with your hobby skills Paul.

Cheers mate, really need to crack on with the weathering now

T3hGuppy · Post by **T3hGuppy** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:45 pm

Great progress your right the green looks awesome dude.

Carn't wait for the finish on this one.

schweinhund227 · Post by **schweinhund227** » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:23 pm

Nice camo ! very subtle and effective !

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:07 pm

Cheers guys

Started the weathering on the KT

My weathering stages using acrylic paints and washes with enamel based filters so they don't react with each other.

Paint (acrylic)
Chipping (acrylic)
Filters (enamel)
Pin wash (acrylic)
Oil rendering (mineral spirit)
Pigments dust effects
Airbrush dust effect
Pigment mud
Stains and streaking

I started using Vallejo model colour German cam black brown as my chipping colour, giving that natural weathered bare metal look. Using a 000 brush applying random shapes a d small pieces of sponge, more so in high wear areas and damaged parts. Once weathered it'll tone it down.

With the chipping done I then applied a couple of coats of sin industries tritone filter.

With the filter wet

And dried giving that faded look, really makes the Camo blend perfectly.

schweinhund227 · Post by **schweinhund227** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:41 pm

Is your chipping done with a sponge ? Or mini brush

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:14 pm

schweinhund227 wrote:Is your chipping done with a sponge ? Or mini brush

I use both methods, it's looks a little ott but it all fade into each other as soon as the pigments go one.

chief5437 · Post by **chief5437** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:03 pm

Excellent effects! Thanks for presenting it in a way we can learn. It's a master class!

schweinhund227 · Post by **schweinhund227** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:15 pm

I wasn't critical! I just wanted to know how you did it! Thx

I really want to learn snd do it to my models eventually!

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:31 pm

schweinhund227 wrote: I wasn't critical! I just wanted to know how you did it! Thx

I know Norm

I was being a little critical of myself lol

schweinhund227 · Post by **schweinhund227** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:27 pm

LOL. You? Critical ? It looks awesome! Keep it coming

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:46 pm

Cheers Norm

Ok so a bit of oil fading to add to the filter effect.

Using various mig oil paints, dabbed on to the body work, avoiding the zimmerit. This is then stumped back with mineral spirit, leaving a nice faded effect behind. Ive got a few dvds that show this done, i tend to do it a bit heavier as i like really faded armor.

At this point i normally think "what the hell have i done" but patience and more mineral spirit takes it back slowly.

Nearly there

And done, the camera doesnt pick the effect up too well, but it has a hazy look to it

Gotta let this dry then ill add some wash to the zimeritt to give it some depth

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:36 pm

This is spectacular Paul. That filter really blows it away.
I may have to give them a try sooner rather than later. That faded glaze is really the business.
It's like an oil filter... with magic in it.

Great job on the chipping too Dude. I do it the same way. Old fashioned.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:41 pm

Coen wrote:This is spectacular Paul. That filter really blows it away.
I may have to give them a try sooner rather than later. That faded glaze is really the business.
It's like an oil filter... with magic in it.

Great job on the chipping too Dude. I do it the same way. Old fashioned.

You gotta try the filters they are awesome, I know people say oil filters work the same, but they don't, they give a different hazy effect, hence why I use both.

Funnily enough me and lee were talking about chipping on the phone today, I much prefer doing it by hand, takes a lot longer but I think it gives a better effect.

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:45 pm

I agree completely. I'll use a sponge for some things to add variety, but nothing beats the hairy stick I think.
You're dead on about the different haze. I can see it in your pictures. That is totally different than what I can get from my oils.
It's much better in many ways.
Hmmmm it's giving me some neat ideas.
I think I'm going shoppin...

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:50 pm

Right so, i added a dark dirt wash to the zimmeritt, which once dry gave the effect i was looking for, i think the theme im going for is FILTHY lol. The verlinden zim is alot better than the eduard, holds alot more detail to my eyes, but hey ho it is what it is

Ive then given it another pin wash with tamiya xf1 enamel thinned with mineral spirit. This brought out more of the detail lost n the oil fading. I also added chipping to the barrel using the same method as on the hull and turret.

I then used tamiya xf57 to start the dust effects, i airbrushed a light coat around the bottom of the hull and around the turret base, i went a little heavy around the turret but i can blend it in with the pigments.

Need to tidy up a bit then later im gonna start applying the dust pigments

T3hGuppy · Post by **T3hGuppy** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:52 pm

Meh seen better

Only messing

Great job dude hopefully some day Ill be able to get results like this.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:55 pm

Looking at those pics the dust effect looks really white, in real life its alot more transparent, i was worried for a minute and had to back and look at it again to make sure i hadnt overdone it

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:41 pm

You're right about the Verlinden Zim. That's beautiful stuff. That micro damage really sets it off Paul.
Gorgeous. This is a stunning piece.
I think that the "over done" that you're thinking of is the heavy lighting at your bench. That last shot looks much more natural.
Pigments and the running gear will fix up anything that you might think is too opaque or bright.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:02 pm

Coen wrote:You're right about the Verlinden Zim. That's beautiful stuff. That micro damage really sets it off Paul.
Gorgeous. This is a stunning piece.
I think that the "over done" that you're thinking of is the heavy lighting at your bench. That last shot looks much more natural.
Pigments and the running gear will fix up anything that you might think is too opaque or bright.

Lol I cheated and took that pic before I sprayed the dust

Cheers matey

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:26 pm

Ah... haha.
Cheeky

chief5437 · Post by **chief5437** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:03 am

This is just great. Looks top notch, and really helpful as well. Thanks Paul.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:03 pm

Cheers chief

Thought I would get some pics that show the airbrushed dust effect properly as my dslr seems to exaggerate them a lot.

So took a couple with my phone, this is how it looks to the eye, much more subtle.

Btw if anyone has any comments suggestions or criticisms I'm open to hear them, you won't offend me at all

Gav0909 · Post by **Gav0909** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:11 pm

Looks s***. Best give all your modelling stuff to me, its just not worth you carrying on anymore I'm afraid.....

I josh, looks awesome. The subtle dust effects on the fenders are great, and the zimmerit really pops with that wash on it.

chief5437 · Post by **chief5437** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:18 pm

^^ lol!!!!

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:19 pm

Gav0909 wrote:Looks s***. Best give all your modelling stuff to me, its just not worth you carrying on anymore I'm afraid.....

I josh, looks awesome. The subtle dust effects on the fenders are great, and the zimmerit really pops with that wash on it.

Lol cheers gav

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:21 pm

You can bugger off to chief. Lol

Really wanted to crack on with this today, but I'm filming part 6 of the bike build instead, I'm not sulking though......much

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:22 pm

Not to mention that he's ugly and his Mum dresses him funny.
That KT is the bomb though. First class work Paul.
How are you gonna handle the decals?

T3hGuppy · Post by **T3hGuppy** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:44 pm

The only thing I would add is wheels and tracks I tend to find mine look better with them

Carn't see anything I wouldn't be happy with on this really nice weathering

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:32 pm

T3hGuppy wrote:The only thing I would add is wheels and tracks I tend to find mine look better with them

Carn't see anything I wouldn't be happy with on this really nice weathering

Defo would be better with wheels can't believe you forgot them Paul

Looks amazing though one of the best tank thingy I've ever seen.

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:34 pm

And we call that a smartarse... haha.
He's right though... some wheels and tracks would set it off a bit.

oops... two smartarses.

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:34 pm

And me makes three!

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:49 pm

Coen wrote:Not to mention that he's ugly and his Mum dresses him funny.
That KT is the bomb though. First class work Paul.
How are you gonna handle the decals?

lmao very funny.

Decals ? we dont need no stinking decals.

No there wont be any, late war tigers didnt have any tactical markings and some didnt even have unit markings, and i like that look so it will be bare of all markings bar one identification flag

Im a bit rubbish at unit markings etc, so im guessing which flag to use, would love to use the SS one but i think the swastika will look better contrasted against the battered KT

I got these cotton flags

I was thinking of using one of these

EDIT

Just had a quick read and apparently it should be this one.

alextheblue · Post by **alextheblue** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:24 pm

Sizzling swastikas those flags are freakin awesome!!!

Love the build as always Paul and I've only got one criticism - it's tooooooo darn good!!

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:46 pm

You're pretty much bang on with your flag choice Paul.

That one was used as well as a slightly more simplified one.
They weren't used often however, as at the time the late KTs were in use the Luftwaffe was pretty much toast and sticking a sign on your tank saying you were a bad guy for all the RAF and USAF to see from the air... not so good.

That doesn't mean they didn't do it though.

As for markings... you're right about that too... some of them didn't even have paint... they just rolled out with the primer and they camoed it up as best that they could in the field.

I've never seen cotton flags used before.
Alex of Alex Modelling has some I think but I've never seen them used.
I would love to see a vid on them if you have some time Dude.

If not tonnes of pics.

I'm excited about those flags Dude... can you tell.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:24 pm

Coen wrote:You're pretty much bang on with your flag choice Paul.
That one was used as well as a slightly more simplified one.
They weren't used often however, as at the time the late KTs were in use the Luftwaffe was pretty much toast and sticking a sign on your tank saying you were a bad guy for all the RAF and USAF to see from the air... not so good.
That doesn't mean they didn't do it though.
As for markings... you're right about that too... some of them didn't even have paint... they just rolled out with the primer and they camoed it up as best that they could in the field.

I've never seen cotton flags used before.
Alex of Alex Modelling has some I think but I've never seen them used.
I would love to see a vid on them if you have some time Dude.
If not tonnes of pics.

I'm excited about those flags Dude... can you tell.

Yeah ill sort out a load of pics when i weather the flag.

Im only really using one as i like the contrast against the camo

Post by **Lee** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:05 am

Looking good bud

HamilkarBarkas · Post by **HamilkarBarkas** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:17 am

Most likely i will never get my hands on those amazing flags

they look way to cool!

Tiger131 · Post by **Tiger131** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:08 am

nice material flags will look superb on your beast

Nige99 · Post by **Nige99** » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:35 pm

Looks the muts nuts Paul really good work mate!

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:40 am

Cheers Nige

Anyway this is the last pic of the tank itself you will see until the reveal, ive been applying various pigments last night and this morning, these are currently drying awaiting blending, so they may look a bit harsh.

After a few hours drying, once fully dry i can blend them more

So now ill start with the tracks and then on to the tools, figures etc.

Im hoping to get this done with the dio and the kubelwagen, but with just three weeks left, im gonna concentrate on the tiger done for now, as i dont want to rush it.

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:54 am

This is going to look spectacular Paul.
That weathering job is going to be perfect, I can already see where it's going.
I can't wait till the reveal Dude!

schweinhund227 · Post by **schweinhund227** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:23 pm

how did you manage to fix the zim on this tank ???? or is it another tank the ZIM is screwed up ?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:29 pm

Hey norm, yes its the same tank, page 19 of the thread shows the zimeritt fix

longlance67 · Post by **longlance67** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:04 pm

- Paul,

just been reading the this log and to say wow !! this is one hell of a build so much lovely detail !
I say the tiger weighs almost as heavy as the real thing with amount of metal parts in it, just wow smashing work, looks great

cant wait to see how it all comes together

keep it up,

Shane.

spruecutter · Post by **spruecutter** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:39 pm

It was such a nice and shiny thing at the start, now it's becoming a beast

NovYank · Post by **NovYank** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:49 pm

That's a dirty tank, so dirty in fact, I believe that it would go on a date with someone and not call them back the next day. Also it wouldn't pay for dinner. Or hold the door open.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:19 pm

Lol cheers guys especially Shane, cheers mate

McLeod · Post by **McLeod** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:58 am

Looking good Paul, she's gonna be a cracker

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:09 am

NovYank wrote:That's a dirty tank, so dirty in fact, I believe that it would go on a date with someone and not call them back the next day. Also it wouldn't pay for dinner. Or hold the door open.

Good one!!!