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Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:45 pm
by VarianWryn
This build thread is just intense.

So much to look at :eeek:

Very Impressed with your hobby skills Paul.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:59 pm
by Paul
VarianWryn wrote:This build thread is just intense.

So much to look at :eeek:

Very Impressed with your hobby skills Paul.
Cheers mate, really need to crack on with the weathering now :th:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:45 pm
by T3hGuppy
Great progress your right the green looks awesome dude. :th:

Carn't wait for the finish on this one. :pop:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:23 pm
by schweinhund227
Nice camo ! very subtle and effective ! :cheers2:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:07 pm
by Paul
Cheers guys

Started the weathering on the KT

My weathering stages using acrylic paints and washes with enamel based filters so they don't react with each other.

Paint (acrylic)
Chipping (acrylic)
Filters (enamel)
Pin wash (acrylic)
Oil rendering (mineral spirit)
Pigments dust effects
Airbrush dust effect
Pigment mud
Stains and streaking

I started using Vallejo model colour German cam black brown as my chipping colour, giving that natural weathered bare metal look. Using a 000 brush applying random shapes a d small pieces of sponge, more so in high wear areas and damaged parts. Once weathered it'll tone it down.


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With the chipping done I then applied a couple of coats of sin industries tritone filter.

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With the filter wet
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And dried giving that faded look, really makes the Camo blend perfectly.

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Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:41 pm
by schweinhund227
Is your chipping done with a sponge ? Or mini brush

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:14 pm
by Paul
schweinhund227 wrote:Is your chipping done with a sponge ? Or mini brush
I use both methods, it's looks a little ott but it all fade into each other as soon as the pigments go one.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:03 pm
by chief5437
Excellent effects! Thanks for presenting it in a way we can learn. It's a master class!

:cheers2: :th:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:15 pm
by schweinhund227
:th: :cheers2: I wasn't critical! I just wanted to know how you did it! Thx

I really want to learn snd do it to my models eventually!

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:31 pm
by Paul
schweinhund227 wrote::th: :cheers2: I wasn't critical! I just wanted to know how you did it! Thx
I know Norm :th: I was being a little critical of myself lol :eeek:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:27 pm
by schweinhund227
LOL. You? Critical ? It looks awesome! Keep it coming

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:46 pm
by Paul
Cheers Norm

Ok so a bit of oil fading to add to the filter effect.

Using various mig oil paints, dabbed on to the body work, avoiding the zimmerit. This is then stumped back with mineral spirit, leaving a nice faded effect behind. Ive got a few dvds that show this done, i tend to do it a bit heavier as i like really faded armor.
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At this point i normally think "what the hell have i done" but patience and more mineral spirit takes it back slowly.
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Nearly there
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And done, the camera doesnt pick the effect up too well, but it has a hazy look to it
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Gotta let this dry then ill add some wash to the zimeritt to give it some depth

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:36 pm
by Coen
This is spectacular Paul. That filter really blows it away.
I may have to give them a try sooner rather than later. That faded glaze is really the business.
It's like an oil filter... with magic in it.

Great job on the chipping too Dude. I do it the same way. Old fashioned.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:41 pm
by Paul
Coen wrote:This is spectacular Paul. That filter really blows it away.
I may have to give them a try sooner rather than later. That faded glaze is really the business.
It's like an oil filter... with magic in it.

Great job on the chipping too Dude. I do it the same way. Old fashioned.
You gotta try the filters they are awesome, I know people say oil filters work the same, but they don't, they give a different hazy effect, hence why I use both.

Funnily enough me and lee were talking about chipping on the phone today, I much prefer doing it by hand, takes a lot longer but I think it gives a better effect.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:45 pm
by Coen
I agree completely. I'll use a sponge for some things to add variety, but nothing beats the hairy stick I think.
You're dead on about the different haze. I can see it in your pictures. That is totally different than what I can get from my oils.
It's much better in many ways.
Hmmmm it's giving me some neat ideas.
I think I'm going shoppin...

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:50 pm
by Paul
Right so, i added a dark dirt wash to the zimmeritt, which once dry gave the effect i was looking for, i think the theme im going for is FILTHY lol. The verlinden zim is alot better than the eduard, holds alot more detail to my eyes, but hey ho it is what it is

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Ive then given it another pin wash with tamiya xf1 enamel thinned with mineral spirit. This brought out more of the detail lost n the oil fading. I also added chipping to the barrel using the same method as on the hull and turret.

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I then used tamiya xf57 to start the dust effects, i airbrushed a light coat around the bottom of the hull and around the turret base, i went a little heavy around the turret but i can blend it in with the pigments.

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Need to tidy up a bit then later im gonna start applying the dust pigmentsImage

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:52 pm
by T3hGuppy
Meh seen better :nena:

Only messing

Great job dude hopefully some day Ill be able to get results like this. :th:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:55 pm
by Paul
Looking at those pics the dust effect looks really white, in real life its alot more transparent, i was worried for a minute and had to back and look at it again to make sure i hadnt overdone it

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:41 pm
by Coen
You're right about the Verlinden Zim. That's beautiful stuff. That micro damage really sets it off Paul.
Gorgeous. This is a stunning piece.
I think that the "over done" that you're thinking of is the heavy lighting at your bench. That last shot looks much more natural.
Pigments and the running gear will fix up anything that you might think is too opaque or bright.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:02 pm
by Paul
Coen wrote:You're right about the Verlinden Zim. That's beautiful stuff. That micro damage really sets it off Paul.
Gorgeous. This is a stunning piece.
I think that the "over done" that you're thinking of is the heavy lighting at your bench. That last shot looks much more natural.
Pigments and the running gear will fix up anything that you might think is too opaque or bright.
Lol I cheated and took that pic before I sprayed the dust ;)

Cheers matey :th:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:26 pm
by Coen
Ah... haha.
Cheeky

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:03 am
by chief5437
This is just great. Looks top notch, and really helpful as well. Thanks Paul.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:03 pm
by Paul
Cheers chief

Thought I would get some pics that show the airbrushed dust effect properly as my dslr seems to exaggerate them a lot.

So took a couple with my phone, this is how it looks to the eye, much more subtle.

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Btw if anyone has any comments suggestions or criticisms I'm open to hear them, you won't offend me at all :thumb2:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:11 pm
by Gav0909
Looks s***. Best give all your modelling stuff to me, its just not worth you carrying on anymore I'm afraid.....


:tongue: :tongue: I josh, looks awesome. The subtle dust effects on the fenders are great, and the zimmerit really pops with that wash on it.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:18 pm
by chief5437
^^ lol!!!!

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:19 pm
by Paul
Gav0909 wrote:Looks s***. Best give all your modelling stuff to me, its just not worth you carrying on anymore I'm afraid.....


:tongue: :tongue: I josh, looks awesome. The subtle dust effects on the fenders are great, and the zimmerit really pops with that wash on it.
Lol cheers gav :eeek:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:21 pm
by Paul
You can bugger off to chief. Lol

Really wanted to crack on with this today, but I'm filming part 6 of the bike build instead, I'm not sulking though......much

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:22 pm
by Coen
Not to mention that he's ugly and his Mum dresses him funny.
That KT is the bomb though. First class work Paul.
How are you gonna handle the decals?

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:44 pm
by T3hGuppy
The only thing I would add is wheels and tracks I tend to find mine look better with them :nena:


Carn't see anything I wouldn't be happy with on this really nice weathering :th: :th:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:32 pm
by Nige201980
T3hGuppy wrote:The only thing I would add is wheels and tracks I tend to find mine look better with them :nena:


Carn't see anything I wouldn't be happy with on this really nice weathering :th: :th:
Defo would be better with wheels can't believe you forgot them Paul :tongue:

Looks amazing though one of the best tank thingy I've ever seen.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:34 pm
by Coen
And we call that a smartarse... haha.
He's right though... some wheels and tracks would set it off a bit.

oops... two smartarses.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:34 pm
by Coen
And me makes three!

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:49 pm
by Paul
Coen wrote:Not to mention that he's ugly and his Mum dresses him funny.
That KT is the bomb though. First class work Paul.
How are you gonna handle the decals?
lmao very funny.

Decals ? we dont need no stinking decals.

No there wont be any, late war tigers didnt have any tactical markings and some didnt even have unit markings, and i like that look so it will be bare of all markings bar one identification flag :th:

Im a bit rubbish at unit markings etc, so im guessing which flag to use, would love to use the SS one but i think the swastika will look better contrasted against the battered KT

I got these cotton flags
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I was thinking of using one of these
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EDIT

Just had a quick read and apparently it should be this one.
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Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:24 pm
by alextheblue
Sizzling swastikas those flags are freakin awesome!!!

Love the build as always Paul and I've only got one criticism - it's tooooooo darn good!! :banana:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:46 pm
by Coen
You're pretty much bang on with your flag choice Paul. :thumb1:
That one was used as well as a slightly more simplified one.
They weren't used often however, as at the time the late KTs were in use the Luftwaffe was pretty much toast and sticking a sign on your tank saying you were a bad guy for all the RAF and USAF to see from the air... not so good. :pistols:
That doesn't mean they didn't do it though. :think:
As for markings... you're right about that too... some of them didn't even have paint... they just rolled out with the primer and they camoed it up as best that they could in the field.

I've never seen cotton flags used before.
Alex of Alex Modelling has some I think but I've never seen them used.
I would love to see a vid on them if you have some time Dude. :pray:
If not tonnes of pics.

I'm excited about those flags Dude... can you tell.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:24 pm
by Paul
Coen wrote:You're pretty much bang on with your flag choice Paul. :thumb1:
That one was used as well as a slightly more simplified one.
They weren't used often however, as at the time the late KTs were in use the Luftwaffe was pretty much toast and sticking a sign on your tank saying you were a bad guy for all the RAF and USAF to see from the air... not so good. :pistols:
That doesn't mean they didn't do it though. :think:
As for markings... you're right about that too... some of them didn't even have paint... they just rolled out with the primer and they camoed it up as best that they could in the field.

I've never seen cotton flags used before.
Alex of Alex Modelling has some I think but I've never seen them used.
I would love to see a vid on them if you have some time Dude. :pray:
If not tonnes of pics.

I'm excited about those flags Dude... can you tell.

Yeah ill sort out a load of pics when i weather the flag. :eeek: :banana:

Im only really using one as i like the contrast against the camo :th:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:05 am
by Lee
Looking good bud :th:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:17 am
by HamilkarBarkas
Most likely i will never get my hands on those amazing flags :( they look way to cool!

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:08 am
by Tiger131
nice material flags will look superb on your beast

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:35 pm
by Nige99
Looks the muts nuts Paul really good work mate!

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:40 am
by Paul
Cheers Nige

Anyway this is the last pic of the tank itself you will see until the reveal, ive been applying various pigments last night and this morning, these are currently drying awaiting blending, so they may look a bit harsh.

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After a few hours drying, once fully dry i can blend them more
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So now ill start with the tracks and then on to the tools, figures etc.

Im hoping to get this done with the dio and the kubelwagen, but with just three weeks left, im gonna concentrate on the tiger done for now, as i dont want to rush it.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:54 am
by Coen
This is going to look spectacular Paul.
That weathering job is going to be perfect, I can already see where it's going.
I can't wait till the reveal Dude!

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:23 pm
by schweinhund227
how did you manage to fix the zim on this tank ???? or is it another tank the ZIM is screwed up ?

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:29 pm
by Paul
Hey norm, yes its the same tank, page 19 of the thread shows the zimeritt fix :th:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:04 pm
by longlance67
- Paul,

just been reading the this log and to say wow !! this is one hell of a build so much lovely detail !
I say the tiger weighs almost as heavy as the real thing with amount of metal parts in it, just wow smashing work, looks great

cant wait to see how it all comes together

keep it up,


Shane.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:39 pm
by spruecutter
It was such a nice and shiny thing at the start, now it's becoming a beast
:thumb2:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:49 pm
by NovYank
That's a dirty tank, so dirty in fact, I believe that it would go on a date with someone and not call them back the next day. Also it wouldn't pay for dinner. Or hold the door open.

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:19 pm
by Paul
Lol cheers guys especially Shane, cheers mate :thumb2:

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:58 am
by McLeod
Looking good Paul, she's gonna be a cracker

Re: Dragon 1/35 King Tiger & Tamiya Kubelwagen diorama

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:09 am
by Coen
NovYank wrote:That's a dirty tank, so dirty in fact, I believe that it would go on a date with someone and not call them back the next day. Also it wouldn't pay for dinner. Or hold the door open.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Good one!!!