International Scale Modeller

Kevthemodeller wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:02 pm Really coming together there Scott

Kev

Very nice, Scott.

Looking good.
How much weight did you have to add, Not sure how much I need with mine yet. I just put as much in as I could so far and not sure yet if I have to add more. I think I have about 2-3gms.

bfrd wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:06 pm Very nice, Scott.

Thank you my friend

digger303 wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:30 pm Looking good.
How much weight did you have to add, Not sure how much I need with mine yet. I just put as much in as I could so far and not sure yet if I have to add more. I think I have about 2-3gms.

Ok so not a ton at all.
In fact it stopped tail sitting right when I added the test fit of the cockpit styrene for the bubble
Adding the lead foil, just one sheet, is probably a gram if that
I was thinking I will also do some brass rods for the control handles and such to give the little Bell a bit of weight when you pick it up.
I love that little surprise when you pick up a model expecting a light little toy and it has some girth behind it instead.

Oh here we go I found a table:
Table 1 Average weight of lead foils and lead content of 4 common types of dental film
Weight of lead Average lead
Film type n foil; g ± SD content; % ± SDb
Size 0 10 0.438 ± 0.002 81 ± 15
Size 1 10 0.533 ± 0.002 85 ± 14
Size 2 10 0.733 ± 0.013 84 ± 18
Occlusal 10 2.920 ± 0.008 69 ± 13

So mine was a size 1 film that is 0.533 grams. EDIT: no, it is a size2 so 0.733g each foil
Maybe I will stick in a few under the cockpit floor too get it up to 2gm's

She's starting to look like a Birdy to me

One of the coolest copters I've see.

Great build so far bud

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:01 am

digger303 wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:30 pm Looking good.
How much weight did you have to add, Not sure how much I need with mine yet. I just put as much in as I could so far and not sure yet if I have to add more. I think I have about 2-3gms.

Ok so not a ton at all.
In fact it stopped tail sitting right when I added the test fit of the cockpit styrene for the bubble
Adding the lead foil, just one sheet, is probably a gram if that
I was thinking I will also do some brass rods for the control handles and such to give the little Bell a bit of weight when you pick it up.
I love that little surprise when you pick up a model expecting a light little toy and it has some girth behind it instead.

Oh here we go I found a table:
Table 1 Average weight of lead foils and lead content of 4 common types of dental film
Weight of lead Average lead
Film type n foil; g ± SD content; % ± SDb
Size 0 10 0.438 ± 0.002 81 ± 15
Size 1 10 0.533 ± 0.002 85 ± 14
Size 2 10 0.733 ± 0.013 84 ± 18
Occlusal 10 2.920 ± 0.008 69 ± 13

So mine was a size 1 film that is 0.533 grams
Maybe I will stick in a few under the cockpit floor too get it up to 2gm's

Thanks mate That gives me some confidence in being able to get this to sit right.
I asked my friendly dentist that I have known for like 30yrs and tried to get a supply of that dental film. You should have seen the look on there faces. It was like I had asked for a blank perscription pad all ready signed. Then got the explanation it was a dangerous substance and handled as such via special bins....blah blah. I don't know if they even heard themselves.....I could go into the local hardware and buy tonnes of the stuff, albeit a bit thick.

digger303 wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:15 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:01 am

digger303 wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:30 pm Looking good.
How much weight did you have to add, Not sure how much I need with mine yet. I just put as much in as I could so far and not sure yet if I have to add more. I think I have about 2-3gms.

Ok so not a ton at all.
In fact it stopped tail sitting right when I added the test fit of the cockpit styrene for the bubble
Adding the lead foil, just one sheet, is probably a gram if that
I was thinking I will also do some brass rods for the control handles and such to give the little Bell a bit of weight when you pick it up.
I love that little surprise when you pick up a model expecting a light little toy and it has some girth behind it instead.

Oh here we go I found a table:
Table 1 Average weight of lead foils and lead content of 4 common types of dental film
Weight of lead Average lead
Film type n foil; g ± SD content; % ± SDb
Size 0 10 0.438 ± 0.002 81 ± 15
Size 1 10 0.533 ± 0.002 85 ± 14
Size 2 10 0.733 ± 0.013 84 ± 18
Occlusal 10 2.920 ± 0.008 69 ± 13

So mine was a size 1 film that is 0.533 grams
Maybe I will stick in a few under the cockpit floor too get it up to 2gm's

Thanks mate That gives me some confidence in being able to get this to sit right.
I asked my friendly dentist that I have known for like 30yrs and tried to get a supply of that dental film. You should have seen the look on there faces. It was like I had asked for a blank perscription pad all ready signed. Then got the explanation it was a dangerous substance and handled as such via special bins....blah blah. I don't know if they even heard themselves.....I could go into the local hardware and buy tonnes of the stuff, albeit a bit thick.

Oh yeah
I pilfered our storage box of the stuff before we sent it to the recycler as I knew we were going digital with no film and the supply would end.
I would send you some, but mailing lead is kinda like mailing someone bricks
Go lead shot, lead tape or something more readily available locally from the hardware store

The good side of this is I know each foil is about 0.5 g so I will try and remember the amount I add in total.

KalebB wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:08 am She's starting to look like a Birdy to me

One of the coolest copters I've see.

Great build so far bud

She is a funny looking thing hey, very distinct.
I watched MASH my entire youth and have vivid memories of that chopper in the start on the dirt landing pad.
Hoping to re-create that if I can.

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:20 am

KalebB wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:08 am She's starting to look like a Birdy to me

One of the coolest copters I've see.

Great build so far bud

She is a funny looking thing hey, very distinct.
I watched MASH my entire youth and have vivid memories of that chopper in the start on the dirt landing pad.
Hoping to re-create that if I can.

That would be very cool. Could also add a Korean war era Willy's Jeep with that stretcher on the front like from the beginning scene too for extra style points

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:19 am

digger303 wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:15 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:01 am

Ok so not a ton at all.
In fact it stopped tail sitting right when I added the test fit of the cockpit styrene for the bubble
Adding the lead foil, just one sheet, is probably a gram if that
I was thinking I will also do some brass rods for the control handles and such to give the little Bell a bit of weight when you pick it up.
I love that little surprise when you pick up a model expecting a light little toy and it has some girth behind it instead.

Oh here we go I found a table:
Table 1 Average weight of lead foils and lead content of 4 common types of dental film
Weight of lead Average lead
Film type n foil; g ± SD content; % ± SDb
Size 0 10 0.438 ± 0.002 81 ± 15
Size 1 10 0.533 ± 0.002 85 ± 14
Size 2 10 0.733 ± 0.013 84 ± 18
Occlusal 10 2.920 ± 0.008 69 ± 13

So mine was a size 1 film that is 0.533 grams
Maybe I will stick in a few under the cockpit floor too get it up to 2gm's

Thanks mate That gives me some confidence in being able to get this to sit right.
I asked my friendly dentist that I have known for like 30yrs and tried to get a supply of that dental film. You should have seen the look on there faces. It was like I had asked for a blank perscription pad all ready signed. Then got the explanation it was a dangerous substance and handled as such via special bins....blah blah. I don't know if they even heard themselves.....I could go into the local hardware and buy tonnes of the stuff, albeit a bit thick.

Oh yeah
I pilfered our storage box of the stuff before we sent it to the recycler as I knew we were going digital with no film and the supply would end.
I would send you some, but mailing lead is kinda like mailing someone bricks
Go lead shot, lead tape or something more readily available locally from the hardware store

The good side of this is I know each foil is about 0.5 g so I will try and remember the amount I add in total.

Thanks for the kind offer. I know how awful freight is.
I can get unlimited free access to all the wheel weights I want. Although that type of alloy is a bit hard. been looking around here locally, but it is a bit hard trying to find the right sized sheets. Some Ali and copper sheets about the right thickness seem to be plentiful, but have not had any experience using them.
Thanks again

Crap I lost a post somewhere out there ......it’s out there Mulder

Anyhow, was watching MASH opening credits.
Both the movie and the TV series have the MASH and the stars/bars in different location than on the Revell kit. They are farther along the monkey bars behind the cockpit. These are slightly different helicopters as the fuel tanks show, but hell I am going closer to what my childhood remembers from watching TV.
Movie:


TV:


So I made a little styrene piece for each side

Then will do the same for the stars/bars. Having fun modelling again

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:12 am Crap I lost a post somewhere out there ......it’s out there Mulde


Then will do the same for the stars/bars. Having fun modelling again

It looks like you could hang a block and tackle on that boom and lift tank engines.....strong as.

Fun is good

Cracking thread, drinking in the usual goofiness from the author!

Great to see you back at the bench and enjoying your tinkering again mate

That chopper's coming along very nicely

Stokesy44 wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:55 am Cracking thread, drinking in the usual goofiness from the author!

digger303 wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:24 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:12 am Crap I lost a post somewhere out there ......it’s out there Mulde


Then will do the same for the stars/bars. Having fun modelling again

It looks like you could hang a block and tackle on that boom and lift tank engines.....strong as.

Fun is good

thanks guys

Tomcat64 wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:57 pm Great to see you back at the bench and enjoying your tinkering again mate

That chopper's coming along very nicely

Ya you got me into this and I am really enjoying it
It is always fun to build a helicopter, they just go together well and look so cool

Great idea to watch the show and movie to make sure if the kit was accurate to it.


I cannot wait to see this done

digger303 wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:09 am

Twokidsnosleep wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:19 am

digger303 wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:15 am

Thanks mate That gives me some confidence in being able to get this to sit right.
I asked my friendly dentist that I have known for like 30yrs and tried to get a supply of that dental film. You should have seen the look on there faces. It was like I had asked for a blank perscription pad all ready signed. Then got the explanation it was a dangerous substance and handled as such via special bins....blah blah. I don't know if they even heard themselves.....I could go into the local hardware and buy tonnes of the stuff, albeit a bit thick.

Oh yeah
I pilfered our storage box of the stuff before we sent it to the recycler as I knew we were going digital with no film and the supply would end.
I would send you some, but mailing lead is kinda like mailing someone bricks
Go lead shot, lead tape or something more readily available locally from the hardware store

The good side of this is I know each foil is about 0.5 g so I will try and remember the amount I add in total.

Thanks for the kind offer. I know how awful freight is.
I can get unlimited free access to all the wheel weights I want. Although that type of alloy is a bit hard. been looking around here locally, but it is a bit hard trying to find the right sized sheets. Some Ali and copper sheets about the right thickness seem to be plentiful, but have not had any experience using them.
Thanks again

Have you tried your local fishing shop/supplier ,people who like to tie there own fly's sometimes make nymphs which are sinking fly's to make them sink they use lead sheet around 1mm thick and it also comes pre coated with an adhesive on one side. Just cut it to size and off you go. It also makes great straps for tank ammo/stores boxes and straps in general on a tank or any model. It also takes paint well too.

Andy

You got me curious about the variation between the show and your kit. A quick Google search found this photo:



I can't wait to see your results!

BobM wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:25 pm You got me curious about the variation between the show and your kit. A quick Google search found this photo:



I can't wait to see your results!

Sweet reference photo Bob
Thanks Mr M

I've always loved this helicopter. Years ago, at a local fair (actually quite a large fair - The Eastern States Exposition) you could go for a ride in them (I never did). I think there were 2 or 3 landing and taking off in rotation. They stopped it a few years ago.

Awesome Scott! This looks great and loved the discussion on the fill. Lead like on bullets or copper foil could work. Excellent details

Finding out 1/35 means 2-3 times as much work, paint and time spent.

So some work painting into the cockpit this sat Am

There is around 2g’s of lead under the seat and in the backrest. I was wrong, they were size 2 film packets, so 0.7 g each x3.

I am doing the interior in various True Metal silvers and aluminums then a possible green coat for some chipping effects...maybe
The seats are leather in W&N oil with a gelb Ultimate base




Like the wiped cushions so it looks like wear created by someone getting in and out of them a lot. They look better in person.
I muffed the backrest; got the oil too dark with no wear spots, then added a too thick matt varnish then more paint for effects and detail and correct...it became a thick mess. So couple drops MLT wipe clean, Ultimate cleaner and then re-prime Gelb and start again with oils.


Getting some progress, taking her slow and easy and having fun.

They look good bud.

I do enjoy how you made them look a bit worse for wear. Lot of butts were on those seats I'm sure

KalebB wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:03 am They look good bud.

I do enjoy how you made them look a bit worse for wear. Lot of butts were on those seats I'm sure

Exactly
I don’t want it all beat to shite, but some good use is nice. Doing leather like this is DEAD easy.
Thanks for following along and commenting

What a contraption! Great skills as always, I’m always learning from you guys, so thanks for taking the time and effort to post updates

Looks great Sir.

I love working with oils, its real art - and a very forgiving medium too.

Looks very nice Scott and you did a great job hiding the lead. One thing I was wondering was whether the brown on the seats was modelled on your dentist chair?
Paul

Looking awesome Scott! Nice wear and pattern on the seats.

Quax wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:28 am Looks very nice Scott and you did a great job hiding the lead. One thing I was wondering was whether the brown on the seats was modelled on your dentist chair?
Paul

Uhhh nope those are black leather seats...and tie downs for smart asses

Stokesy44 wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:29 am Looks great Sir.

I love working with oils, its real art - and a very forgiving medium too.

Completely agree
I was avoiding using oil and then watched a few videos.
Saw how you could blotter them so they dry faster, use sparingly on application as they go a long way, alter the background primer for different affects to the top layer and how you can wipe and add wear patterns.
They are a blast and I am only scratching their surface

jmurphy18 wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:02 pm Looking awesome Scott! Nice wear and pattern on the seats.

Cheers
Ultimate gelb primer, W/N dark ochre, an hour, Q tip wipe
Done

Really nice work, Scott!

It's coming together really nice...


Tommy

TommyKillander wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:28 pm Really nice work, Scott!

It's coming together really nice...


Tommy

Thanks Tommy, she is getting detailing stuff now in the engine bay

I plonked away pretty much off and on all day at this in between dad duties.
Been really enjoying making this little chopper
Everything is just dry fitted and or taped in place.
Mostly in primer other than the cockpit which I chose to do in silver(s)

She really does look spectacular all fitted up.

Loving this bud

Lovely use of oils on the seat Scott

Dry fit of everything shows it all coming together nicely.

I really like the IP in the cockpit too. Very tidy

Great progress Scott - that cockpit detail looks superb

That cockpit is amazingly well done. I suppose it should not be amazing since you did it, but still. Bravo!

The more you do the more awesome it looks!!

Thanks to you all, gentlemen
She is a fun little build

Have to mix the green/brown ála PC-10 for the exterior paint next and get that done. Then I can get the engine mounted and detailed.
The interior was a hoot. Everything is hand painted, other than the primer, and even some of that was brushed on
The white facing is Ultimate white brushed in two layers and I used kit decals for the dials. I have some brass and wire head sets made to sit on those brass pegs on the back wall.
Still trying to decide if I add the pilot figure or not
Enjoying this one immensely

She is now nauseating army green
Crappy pics, didn’t get my lighting correct

Your lighting is still better than mine even if you call it crappy

Good green color though, definitely looks appropriate

Green is green The army loves green, but nice build and it's coming together quiet fast now.

How on earth did that thing ever fly?

Those rotor blades are tiny!

Love the headsets matey.

Looking good there Scott!! Looks close to OD Green the Amry's favorite color

jmurphy18 wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:52 pm Looking good there Scott!! Looks close to OD Green the Amry's favorite color

It is Ultimate primers Oxide (brown) and Olive mixed about 1:4
Kind of my PC-10 version of the green/brown
Love how it shoots in the little H/S Ultra for some spray control
Interestingly enough, I am finding my back is acting up after a couple days in a row at the bench
Possibly my chair isn’t up to snuff

Stokesy44 wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:36 am How on earth did that thing ever fly?

Those rotor blades are tiny!

Love the headsets matey.

Just the shaft and balance arms, rotor blades still to come
I did that to contrast my green with the sickly green from the kit